Dank Pod-Stash 35: Michael Jimerson
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Dank Pod-Stash 35: Michael Jimerson



enemy of the state an enemy of the state enemy of the state all excuse you're listening to enemy of the state stank pods – visit the dank pods – comm where you'll find our shop calendar of events and more become a patron or bit backer and join us in our private discord server where you'll have access to live shows and post-show queue aides business owners you can advertise on the dank pods – reach a larger audience and make more sales just email us at dank pods – at gmail.com for more details welcome to episode 35 of enemy of the States dank pods – my name is Nick and I'm joined as usual with my co-host David Valentine and before we get going we have our special offer from Shane Ratliff of liberty under attack publications you can take 10% off your order by using coupon code dank ten at liberty under attack comm shane has books focusing on self liberation freedom strategies solutions and more his current books are hashtag Agora second realm book on strategy bin stones sedition 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time my only day off this past week nice yeah and our viewers by our viewers on YouTube you mean our $5 patrons who have access to this live stream and Q&A after the show so to talk with Michael or any of our guests after the show for a Q&A go to patreon.com/scishow and to watch the show live for the recording is released you can be a $1 patron and an exclusive chat channel for the discourse of that as well so Michael you run well well what I know you most from is free-market environmentalism and green agar ISM group on Facebook right yes that's my girl tell us about that well it's a little thing I started this is I think the second version of it I've done of just you know libertarianism when anarchism and all that but instead of from the traditional leftist for you from a voluntary as viewpoint instead nice and it's grown significantly from there still doing a lot for it though info dumps some good files that you put in on there that I've enjoyed oh yes that's one of the reasons why I run it as a group and serve as a page because other page you can't do anything like that and part of the reason why I'm doing this is to share information for anyone who's interested in these topics nice so the title is an interesting amalgamation of various things free-market environmentalism green agar ISM and and that's that's that's interesting to me it's it's a nice combination and have a lot of good things what made you decide to just is it just that's the audience you're trying to get in there or is that kind of what you subscribed you as what I subscribe to as I'm you know became more aware of past age so I used to being born to libertarians and went further and further and all that I come by I started combining that with my already belief in nature and just develop from there and one thing I learned was traditional kind of known for a while as traditional environmentalism is extremely leftist depending on the variety of it so and yeah I did find eventually found that there is a small office you sort of speak of Austrian economics and liberty that does focus on environmentalism but not with the experience of extremism going to collectivism of the left and I just started looking into it and it's what's made the most sense to me so far I just went with it awesome I am a strange amalgamation of things myself so anytime I see that I'm like oh that's interesting I like that that's another little thing that's part of all the research and learning in this group I've been doing is taking a little bit from one thing and a little bit from another put together and see how it how it looks oh yeah mm-hmm I uh go for it David go Nick I'm like oh man I'm gonna switch subject streams here so keep continue down the road you're on okay yeah I personally believe in more of an environmentally friendly ideology I think we're just kind of wrecking a lot of the planet and maybe maybe not so much consciously some people some people definitely consciously they just don't get what fuck but I think that if everybody took time and their individual lives to to recognize that and do something about it the world would be much better off yeah we still have the problems of huge major collaborations backed by the government that just give no fucks and they pay off the government to do whatever the hell they want and as consumers people should be aware of that and you know vote with their money I enjoy what you do I enjoy group well I appreciate that it's one of the reasons what I'm doing is for people like that yeah I like a lot of them you want to change the subject well I would say I like a lot of the permaculture stuff I was actually I found something in what you said there about wrecking the environment and stuff with the I guess people call it traditional agriculture now even though it's not the original traditional ways of permaculture that many societies used before and I think permaculture is one of the roads out of this mess of the problems that we're having with environmentalism all right you know irresponsible environmental practices and I know you've shared a lot of info dumps on permaculture stuff on there yes I feel permaculture is one of the more I would say techniques that fit in with the with the theme overall considering it is more environmentally friendly and more sustainable it doesn't have the damaging effects of modern industrial farming and ties everything together better than mass industry and vast farming and all that absolutely it's definitely possible to produce you know massive amounts of food and whatever else you're growing permaculture early and a lot of people are stuck with the idea that the large-scale factory farming kind of stuff and factory animal raising is the way that we have to do it to sustain the you know the very populated city areas and whatnot that we have but I think even even if it's not fully permaculture leave things like guerilla gardening you know in making food deserts less barren are a good way to go to do that and it's it eliminates all these things that were thrashing the environment with as well well it doesn't have to be any specific technique like that one of the intents or one of my intents for providing this information is to see that there's examples of stuff that can be done but to help enable you think of new new ways that may help that are along the similar basis yep well I think it ties in nicely with agar ISM as well because if you know you have some people may not be able to grow their food they may not be able to you know produce things like this because of you know a handicap any number of things but if you have a community of people that are doing it and willing to trade and barter with everybody else or you know just help somebody out then you know that that's a step in the right direction of being a wiki from relying on the state for all these things well I think was that is also a sense of not just relying on the state but more the sense of just doing what you feels necessary on what you want to and just straight-up ignoring what you are capable of ignoring and sidestepping what you're capable of doesn't you know today's society its ever increasingly difficult to live your life as how you want it there are some ways to that's you know skirt it some ways you can't and it's that's part of how the whole or some thing is doing what you can with what you're given how do you feel about the kind of more but I guess it's trendy now to be environmentally friendly but it's usually the leftist types but like it seems to be trending like permaculture and these kind of ideas you know whatever um whatever it may be but the normies are seeming to pick it up what how do you feel about that I think it's kind of a good thing you know it's something that used to be marginalized like what the whole how left this traditional environmentalism and that's where a lot of these formations of topics originated from but it's grown beyond left-right paradigm and as long as that's you know voluntary it doesn't really matter yeah I agree and the fact that more and more wrongly so to speak or learning about it hopefully that means it's become more of a conscious thing these days I think they use the term Normie for lack of a better one I understand I think it's a polite and PC I think it's important to get this kind of stuff out there you know in in the face of the kind of scams that are going on coming out of the government and a lot of companies just trying to make money off of certified green air quotes stuff that doesn't really do anything or is a money grab so it's really good to get the the real tried and true environmentalist stuff out there versus buying into just shit that doesn't work well I think a lot of that wells aren't you the more people are learning like what the whole permaculture subject more more people learning hopefully that also means that they're doing or able to do more research and actually pay better attention yeah absolutely so you can lead to doing that one weed out a lot of that that you can lead to a lot of people being inspired to grow their own gardens and their own food raise their own food which is one of my favorite ways to be against the state is to be independent with your food well and and that's also one of the other things I've added to the my groups name is I don't think it's just food independence but energy independence access independence all combined into instead absolutely yeah that's definitely that's my goal mine and my wife's goal out here on our property and our rental property now but when we get property is as self-sufficient as possible it's really cool with energy that you mentioned there's a lot of new inventions coming out for hydropower which they're really awesome you have very low profile you know devices that you can put in slow-moving water that do a really good job and one of the frustrating things I found from that as I see them advertisements for them as more of a you can donate to this so we can help people with poor water access in third-world countries it's like that goddamn it I want to buy one of those where the hell do I buy one of these I could never find a place to buy them I didn't I don't think I've added much of that to like there because what I did add file watch through there is only a small amount of what I actually have I just had some limitations and size limitations and data limitations so but some of the stuff I've looked a little bit into is all these like you're saying something built for a drive-thru world country is very much applicable and can work to the whole permaculture thing and have it self-sustaining home and being independent of the state yeah absolutely I love that kind of stuff in and another thing go ahead right there's another thing I found that that's relating to that is stuff from our own past their own before or industrialization that had slowly but surely disappeared because of the morning forum on the techniques and such and further encrypting reliance on the state for everything when we described and if that's another component of this theory is going back to more simple living less reliance on quote unquote modern access things which are mostly staying involved and becoming more simple more self-sufficient yeah hell yeah that's you know that's something I've kind of been wrestling with lately I've had conversations with you know my wife because we're in – well we want to homestead and be as self-sufficient as possible but with other people as well is its kind of we've opened Pandora's box as far as advancement and you can't really tuck that kind of stuff back in and it seems like you know smaller scale smaller communities and like you said kind of reverting back to some stuff that's lost is a good way to do it and the thing I'm having trouble figuring out is how to apply that to this world where we have the crazy technology that we have now and it's advancing at a very fast pace because a lot of people won't want to revert back to that either well that's one of the good things about long terrorism is if a given person doesn't want to that is entirely up for them mm-hmm may not be something I agree with but you know it's purely voluntary and going off of the whole monitor amenities thing it's most of us live in big cities or in suburbs these days I might I live outside the suburbs of DC and it's completely builds up for a good hour and hour and a half south of me so one thing people have done I personally haven't done it yeah but I have something I've looked into for a feature is having your gardens inside your like the window sails or in a kitchen or separate room inside your apartment house whatever you could be you know downtown New York City and you can still have a bit of nature inside of your house and they could provide food definitely there's a lot there's a lot of various ways to go about doing these things you don't necessarily have to have a lot of property you know to produce what you need for yourself yeah the carving you know there's some really cool designs for and I'm sure people have done before and it's probably coming back around again but yeah green house is integrated into your actual home living space one of which that I favor is pretty much kind of your whole front of your house where your kitchen window I guess would face out and it can be separated by glass or not but if you have a the whole front of your house with the glass with greenhouse so it's kind of heating that area naturally you can have fans or you know air ducts and what not to use that natural heat in the wintertime or blow warm air out of your home into that and grow all your kitchen vegetables and stuff like that in this just nice greenhouse section right in front of your kitchen and it's it's kind of like permaculture applied to your home to your house that's pretty good I mean if now that does sound like it would take some resources and but it also sounds like it would be worth it if you're doing to do that absolutely yeah the are the wife's in my plan moving forward is most mostly earth sheltered if not fully earth sheltered home with strategically placed glass for things like that to take advantage of the natural heating and cooling among other things so that's so I love just you know looking at designs for that stuff and sketching out what we have in mind and it's just really fun I think a lot more people would enjoy it and the benefits of setting that stuff up and then you know reaping your your fruits and vegetables and whatever you grow in there is always satisfying as well and it does foster that attitude of Independence I like that you mention that because that is one of the plans I have too is for something that's sheltered I got some designs that Mike and forward to you if you're interested in of mostly out like the deserts of the Southwest where you have a house that the only thing really visible is the front and you've got everything is covered integrating the landscape and you have the garden on top but there are also options for like a car park and things like that also so everything is as integrated as possible yeah that's dope yeah if you send those we can definitely include them in the show notes too so that'd be awesome I like that you have at home I'll check it out hell yeah I like that you have all these files all this information stuff spread because I collect all this stuff that I can get my hands on I wouldn't say I'm like a crazy doomsday prepper but I think prepping is applicable to just everyday life but it's nice to have it and not need it instead of need it and not have it but we had spoken before the show about used to kind of stockpiling files and stuff like that that could help people out post state collapse and I thought that was a really good idea and start spreading them out to different regions while you tell us about that a little more well it's something that I'm kind of restarting that I did I started after I had gotten out of the military and it kind of died out when Trump was elected because once is before you know the end of the Obama nobama admin collectively as much hit musical we're collectively this nation was starting to get a little noisy and once Trump was elected everyone thought everything was roses and rainbows so a lot of people were no longer interested in me providing that stuff so but as I've become more and more biography Walter people like Trump we know how he really is the more I've started to realize that I can restart this and it would be more applicable now than ever was before and tone of information I've gathered in a researched elements to change a little bit of – it's a lot more bond credit related obviously more environmental related it's not whose no matter who's in power this information it's always gonna be important oh you you may know that but the people who voted for Trump like you know the quote-unquote Patriots that I used to be friendly with they'll have fun Club you know somebody go ask for three percenters why they aren't doing anything yet even before Trump was elected I noticed that exactly what you just mentioned yeah they're gonna stand against tyranny guys just wait just just wait keep waiting mm-hmm stand against tyranny next to the police in a lot of cases as well [Laughter] is one of the goofiest things I've seen and it kills me every time is they don't tread on me flag and the blue line flag together mm-hmm you might as well put a big sticker on your vehicle that says I have cognitive dissonance or lack of an education to any biblical thinking skills yes I should start marketing those stickers for people all you just have like a big sticker on one corner is the d-o-t flag the other one's the blueline flag an attorney says cognitive dissonance you can print something like that on a chart I do has brain did to kind of bring it back a bit I liked your you know that you had files I think we were talking about infrastructure he had files for like road road construction and things like that because God knows the fucking roads what are we gonna do if we don't have government to make the roads but those are the reasons reasons the reason we're head downstairs anyway we all know that burn the roads but that's a good idea I hate road because if you don't live out in the country where a lot of times farmers build the roads around your community and keep them graded and you know up up capped and you know snow plowed if you're in that area a lot of people don't have any idea of how it works I know they don't necessarily think that the government comes at night and rolls them out like a fucking toilet paper roll or something but some people might think that most people I'm from what I've seen especially since I've been in this job I'm him now is unless it impacts their commute they don't give a fuck mm-hmm the common theme with people unless it impacts them directly constantly they just are apathetic to it what makes sense it sucks but it is the way of the world I like the toilet paper analogy there that's some good stuff you would think that the that you know figuring how to maintain a road like that would be fairly common sense but again well it's like I was telling it before the show I don't think I've spoken to you about it David but um part of my job actually is involved in road construction I don't actually do the work but I do the technical data and observation for it and repairing them that's you know is an engineering and construction of all obviously but it's simple the issue is where's the fucking money coming from and the fact that it's not private citizens providing the private funds to get it done it's the fact that some god-like entity and their own mind has to use you know money they've stolen and that's where the fuck up in the issue is yeah I mean and even that service that they provide is absolute garbage the infrastructure like that all across the country is failing and like one good earthquake in the area all the fucking bridges are gone so depending on the area yeah I'm Marcel one thing I'd like to say I guess about all of this information and compiling and like hoarding information like an information dragon like post state society like after after some kind of collapse or anything like there may not be any way to get on to your electronic devices to get to this information so it might be a good idea to actually you know print things off and compile it like that just a listeners well that's actually exactly what I've recommended because I have been able to sense them this to some people and Wow I haven't gotten to the point where I can do it yet my personal recommendation is take some of the more important ones that you feel would benefit you the most print those out and save those so you have hard copies so when you that's the only option you have them absolutely I'm not a hardcore doing paper or either but I definitely worry about certain things happening and you know think about that I'm often and I've got maps and all sorts of things to aides to be prepared and this information is extremely important so I was exactly why I collect it there is an option that I've considered for storing a lot of good information electronically it would be the Kindle paperwhite because it has such a good battery life and then you know you can always charge it with small solar cells and whatnot but if you're gonna store it electronically a small Faraday cage you know a box that would resist emps and whatnot is a great place to store it it's kind of your your doomsday stash for when you know shit hits the fan and it's not just necessarily you know like a fucking nuke EMP government attack or something like that solar flares are a thing they have happened and they've knocked out the grid before and it's likely that it will happen again well there are also flash drives and thumb drives and all that that you know they're expensive course but that are hardened and protected against certain disasters and such I mean I personally wouldn't have liked what you said a small Faraday cage or something like that but it just depends on what works best for you know what you can do absolutely yeah it'sit's that I really like the idea of that kindle paperwhite because if you are into like a bug-out bag or something like that you can store whatever kind of information or maps or anything you need on there and I believe it's like a month or more charge is what it'll last because the the screen uses so little energy so that's one option other than lugging around all your survival books and shit like that well that's why I have an iPad unfortunately the batteries kind of suck on it but the main reason is cuz this but data storage capability mine I gotta go see 128 gig one else and everything I have is on cloud so much they don't like that but it's the backup I need right now and then I can access everything on my iPad or my song nice Hales yeah so what would you say in in the massive information dumps that I've seen on your Facebook group what's the stuff that you enjoy going through the most is it more the permaculture stuff infrastructure what's your favorite stuff to kind of geek out on oh um infrastructure is one of them because of my profession I had eight actual environmental sciences separate from the politics geek out a little bit bit on that but a lot of it's also the survival based stuff that is more military and survival not homestead specifically related but you know it's it's the environment and its nature it's all connected so I mean that's another one of my favorite topics and another one is cultivation that which is something that I've been wanting to get into let's hear about some some cultivation dreams because I just finished up a couple about an hour this morning and finishing up some of the irrigation in my garden so I am on the cultivation stuff well one of my home setting plans is I'm not staying there and then I'm in now I eventually plan on moving been in plan I've had for years but um my land preferably secluded gonna close enough to where I can get to work if I need people far enough where I'm left alone from most people and started getting it to green cultivation my dad said family used to be moonshiners I was taking about getting back in there that also that sort of thing oh yeah moonshining is a great form of agar ism definitely let me know if you start moonshining man you got a customer it's gonna be a while but I'll I won't forget I'm dead serious [Laughter] so state lines don't bother me hell yeah so in so in in this talk of you know having a big stockpiles of information for you know a collapse or a post state society that's a thing that I think a lot of people within the different you know Liberty Anarchy whatever fucking community you want to call it melibea community they're you know they they disagree on quite a bit there's some people are going for violent revolution some people want to vote in yang and secure the bag and collapse to Terry and everything through the economy and and and then there's quite a few people who would prefer the route of Education the slow and steady I guess unlearning and reteaching and showing people how to be more independent and away from the state what are your thoughts on that because I know we have ours and we've talked about them before but I always like to ask people that well I personally think the most effective and the most peaceful peaceful way is the educational method yes it means we do bide our time and that is a lifetime it's not longer of slow change but I said it is the most peaceful and the most beneficial um however if you have a TV if you have an electronic device it takes a second to look out and see how much more difficult is increasingly becoming for us to just surely live so I in the event of when it was absolutely necessary I am also an advocate for violent action within limitations of course not the traditional is abortion antifa way but since you know I'm a former soldier on myself so I personally I think there's a way of combining the two I'm still maintaining you know the anarchist way without resorting is becoming like the status but like said after there's no other option no the peaceful option and the peaceful option is becoming increasingly smaller smaller in my opinion slowly-slowly radicalizing yeah it's kinda comes back to the do no harm take no shit kind of thing the education method and positive and courage one all that it's do no harm but take no shit with if the Boogaloo goes down we're ready to fucking Boogaloo exactly Boogaloo needs to hurry up I'm getting bored hmm some days it seems like a good idea but then you think about it for a bit it's like fuck that would suck yeah it's fun to take think about for a moment and then you're like you know I don't know I got kids and shit that's actually another thing that I've come across with a lot of people now and that's when I first started researching collect information there's a lot of people were iffy on for like a better works participating is because of the position they have in their job or the fence the family is still worried that even the smallest infraction is gonna take all that away however at the same time all they're doing is talking about how unfair and bullshit and all the negative things are going on so it's I think it's a combination of lack of education and hypocrisy yeah fucking nail on the head man that's a I know that's definitely a point of contention that I have with people and fucking get into it yeah people want to go the route of safety of it's you know natural to want to go that route and one of the safest things to do and feel like you're changing something even though I don't think it changes as a goddamn thing is fucking voting and calling yourself a radical because you're voting for these libertarian positions or things like that and the thing that always sticks in my mind is like you know revolution freedom anything like that is not gonna be fuckin easy it's never easy I don't know why anyone would think that it's an easy safe thing to accomplish when even just looking back through history or looking at what we're up against now the things that we're gonna the hurdles that we're gonna have to cross over to get to where we can just exist freely and nobody wants to put any risk well I wouldn't want to say nobody a lot of people don't want to put any risk into it and it sucks because someone sometimes the risk is pretty severe you know jail time death if you resist there's all kinds of shitty stuff but you know why why not risk it well that's actually a very good point and unfortunately that also applies to simply living to a certain extent like you know that case with that one guy in North Carolina fully legal to open carry no permits day and he was trying to comply and doesn't have that choice again and that's just simply living that's not the same thing as actively doing something about it without being noticed and like I said it's I understand reluctance on some people at the same time I think some use it as a thing to hide behind a security blanket absolutely yeah when you bring this subject up I get a lot of well yeah well what are you doing for liberty and it's like like I'm gonna fucking put that all over Facebook for you to fucking see it's it's fucking really easy to go and hit and say I fucking voted look at me because you can get fucking arrested for voting yeah voting is a peaceful illusion of doing something yeah it makes you feel good gives you happy feels and then nothing but in happens yet the end result has an exact opposite effect and has been for its entire existence the state will use our fear against us forever and ever and that's just the way it has been forever so people need to realize that that's you know that's their tool and to not give in to the fear as much and like Nick said if you're going online and saying here this is what I'm doing for Liberty and preaching it all over the place well then I probably would bet that it ain't much doing much for Liberty it isn't that virtue signaling that's absolutely what I'm doing could be virtue signaling too I mean you can put that label on a lot of things of course but it's it's fun cool buzzwords that everybody likes to use I'm talking with the actual definition that you know not the thing these words that people say because they're offended or they someone disagree with them yeah I I suppose that would qualify as duration sequence I'm better than you what are you really doing I'm doing the most like that's exactly so along with voting the success is that a lot of people put out there you know one of the one of the things one of my stickler issues is legalization of whatever whether it's fucking cannabis or psilocybin or anything like that or decriminalization whatnot there's the thing is it's a trade-off for the freedom that you're supposedly going to gain of not having to look over your shoulder when dealing with these substances it's creating a massive funnel of revenue for the state in legalization and it's not eliminating all the victims and enduring with decriminalization necessarily it's it's in fact making it easier for some channels for the government to go after people and it's kind of a play by our rules or you don't get to kind of thing so I don't that's there's something I'd like to try to bring up is look at the trade-off when you're voting for these things look at the end result and see what kind of negative impact there is because that's I think it's great to build bridges with people who are in that mindset and hopefully turn them away from voting to more I guess direct actions things they can do in their regular life and I think that's a good you know starting point you brought out the whole legalization thing I like that there's one thing that I think it's an inverter on the government's part for allowing the legalization quote-unquote but we can use to our advantage because as you know legalization and decriminalization as you said to create a brand new funnel of money to the state however it is also making substances far more socially acceptable which makes it easier for those of us who are not used to that can continue we can be more open about it depending on the person of course but the same time what's the fact that it is a new funnel for the state it drives more people to the traditional black market for that sort of thing and that is in a sense of victory for us as our friend Gabe likes to say was that government is downstream from society or culture and I think the people who really paved the way for it becoming acceptable which led to the government not being able to deny it anymore are the people who went out there without voting and publicly you know like weed festivals from back in the day before it was even legal and they got raided all the time and stuff people who put this stuff out there in their daily life I think that is is more effective if not just as effective at put in making it culturally more acceptable more normal all right I agree to that does definitely have its advantage too but you know at this point we'll take every Ostra mm-hmm I think that the people who would see it being legalized though and then be like oh well it should be more accepted now those are the people that if the government turns around and says oh actually it's really really bad and it's the devil then they'll be like oh okay yeah it's the devil so well that that is a fair point too but I'm hoping maybe I'm being a little too you know generous about it but during that grace period people learn a little bit more it's another reason why I've collected this information is you know purely for educational purposes it's not just for those of us who already have an understanding it's for those who don't wish to learn and that's very important that was a it's an admirable thing to be doing yeah one thing with libertarian voting initiatives and whatnot that I've thought about it as kind of extending that olive branches show me show me something where the state's not getting a cut out of this deal out of voting to legalize or something like that if you can show me those initiatives I'd be more interested but it's still perpetuating the idea of asking for permission from the state absolutely and as for the whole show me in essence for the state's not getting stuff unless it is a person-to-person without anything electronic involved there's no way that the state can't get it there's not going to get their cut any kind of transaction or whatever unless it is black market or related and the state's gonna get their cut exactly it's kind of not not a winnable situation as far as voting goes yeah just don't vote it only encourages them that is my only recommendation on voting that feeds their narcissism and megalomania just look at wrong G's best bet is kind of crazy losing around DC huh I've no idea I'm as far away from there as I can be almost what if what's the craziness like over there oh it's trapped because one of the absolute worst mmm it's just it's because you know everyone DC is a massive government obvious capital but because I since we have such a massive government there are just so many people here for work all over the country and the original infrastructure we wouldn't built handle that and it's just they have taken very little steps as good as there's government taking very little steps to short of adding tools to help mitigate it that's one of the things that they've suggested DC's got it that way I live on the west or south east of it on the northwest is one of the major connections to the Beltway sort of northeast and their time adding more tools to that to helping mitigate that they're talking about I think also three percent increase over the next few years traffic on the Bello I and always their options are more tools more tools more tools and it makes no difference except making it's poor so is the money just not going to see towards what it needs to go to is it line in pockets is that the kind of stuff you're seeing with infrastructure it's hard to say because they said my job is partially involving road construction so ed we only do County and state or county state and federal we don't do private and I have dealt with the significant amount of construction last month I did two weeks a night paving on a state road or state highway so it does happen but you know since the government's involved doesn't happen in the manner it should and it's becoming Christie and worse they just kind of can't catch up sort of thing of us being as long as the state's involved you can't catch up with the requirement or the need or the want what kind of stuff are you seeing that opens year second what kind of stuff are you seeing that's coming up the gears you're saying it's not happening how it should it's nice a snail's pace or something it's kind of well I'll use an on-road related analogy evolving my job another aspect of my job is I do foundation inspections in the county I live in which is one of the counties my office has jurisdiction over for a company week as of early this year week not performed any inspections on any more residential facilities because the county has enacted a new certification requirement the problem is a certification process that the new certification is extremely difficult professional engineers have a difficult time competing or completing it path missing yet there's only one person in this entire state that has a certification now and that's my boss actually um and to top it all off the state that our county government are the only ones who could do this inspections now and they don't have to be certified at all there's there it is that's exactly what they want did our certifications are involving the technical data and the requirements and all that for what we're inspecting in this case foundations so they're not just some check the block service is an actual scientific knowledge base we use for a job and we're required to obtain a new more difficult one that they don't have to have any of them at all not even the old one that we that we currently have just because they're affiliated with government because they're employed by government yeah their city employee or county employees and the county division of whatever it is they call it that we're letting to development civil development that's crazy hearing it from the muroids worker here that's that's astounding that obviously you could be better if the government wasn't involved at all yeah well one thing that I do speculate from time to time as part of my job is we're contracted by a developer to work alongside the actual builders to ensure they build within engineering require engineering specifications and requirements and unfortunately some of those requirements are Donut requirements and I've just dealt with a lot of situations where the only time they can be resolved is when the county government its forced to step in so I don't have the answer for that but I do I will say that in the absence of even that low level of identity it would be a bumpy ride but eventually it would evolve into you know my roads but they're built by actual private people for money it's just the way I see it it's not gonna be easy yeah that's got to be one of the hardest things you could do in the avenue of setting up competing services you know competing against the government is infrastructure because it's one thing to set up you know like a neighborhood watch or private security things like that to compete against the police but once you start going with infrastructure and that's obviously a larger scale cuz more people use the infrastructure than people who the feel that there needs to be competition against the government and that's almost an insurmountable task is have you ever thought of any way to to make a competing kind of entity lost names of the civil engineering and civil development field is already extremely competitive in terms of who gets what contract and for what for how much the issue is because it is infrastructure how it's always been is a government has to be involved according to their logic so that just that goes along with what I was saying earlier since there already is competitive only role way to make it truly a hundred percent private in competitive is to do you know the steps however you feel it can work out to end the state like what you know the peaceful meditative violent method whatever so we're already competitive enough as is is just get rid of that overwatch game don't have to D and it better I think what would happen to a company that decided you know what fuck this government bullshit it's unnecessary it's not necessarily safe in every instance like the the standards are there are better standards to hold this infrastructure to what if they just said you know fuck off with all the government stuff we're gonna build this because we're being contracted by this community and not listen to the government or be involved with them what do you think would happen at that point I honestly wouldn't say I will say there's a possibility that if they have in my area my company wouldn't be involved with the development because of the level of professionalism and competition we have to deal with here that's a little bit of a risky move you know you see what I'm saying mm-hmm however I'm sure there are some circumstances where like we like I said we primarily do government but we have done some private like all the most of the houses all the housing I've done is on private but built by developers I have done a couple that are built by people who have just hasn't have enough money and all they want is to do the shit get it inspected and make sure everything's good and then just live they don't want to no harm no foul or no involvement unless absolutely necessary if we go towards the attitude more I think it become more and more successful were the less and less the state will be in where the government will be involved however another issue is going back to what I'm saying about contractors fucking up is even with the state involvement of the county low event for us there are some contractors that really don't give a fuck so I think if a contractor truly wanted to be like hey let's do this on our own they have to be providing the best possible product or they're fucked completely and that's the beauty of the market itself and if you're gonna do that you need to understand that and within the face of government involvement I don't think a lot of people really do well it's kind of cutting yourself off at the knees too if you're not taking government contracts anymore or anything like that because then your competitors can get that sweet sweet taxpayer money and have more income than you well it's not just that um like my boss isn't big on taking anything state or higher I mean we have to do highways and social they control but is if you are doing federal projects because of how difficult or the amount of baggage that comes with a federal contract but it's also a pride thing at that point yes and maybe a federal contract release I know that since we did the work it's gonna be good it the people the citizens are still going to benefit from it despite the fact the government was involved so at that point the state really has done necessary I was gonna let you say something David House tearing it right at your picture there so I didn't step on you but it was there it was gone like I kind of wanted to jump in too because you're near New York so you know Larry sharps whole platform of what he was calling privatizing no you may know may not but privatizing the road i I don't say I know of him I say I know of him I think a friend on Facebook invited me to like this page I really don't know what his platform is well he said his name has libertine on it yeah he had the idea of kind of renting out the infrastructure to companies like Verizon and stuff and calling it the Verizon Parkway and they would pay for the maintenance and pay rent on these things to the government and he was calling it privatizing the roads it's like that is not privatizing roads because the fucking government is still getting the money here if you were to have Verizon owned and maintained this road to have their name plastered all over and drive people to their business that's more privatizing having a private entity maintained but then still use that money to give it to a government agency that's the fitting the entire purpose mm-hmm exactly is it then and it would his whole thing was that it would ease the tax burden because the corporation's would be paying it but they would just recoup it in their fees and whatnot they're customers I would imagine it's kind of like how tariffs are fucking herself right now same principle yeah absolutely I bought just recently a bunch of six-foot deer fence for around the garden and a few years ago the exact same fence was a much thicker gauge of wire and this year I noticed it's much thinner but it's the same price as it was before it's just a little bit smaller they're cutting costs oh it's not just that I've seen it with plastic water bottles I've seen that with bags of chips back to cereal things like that it's the prices are maintaining it's not getting more expensive because of inflation the actual product itself is becoming increasingly inferior absolutely so the trick selling you those bags of air labelled as lays and it always it always comes back to finding a way to subvert in the state compete against it anything like that which if you want to have some good info on that making yourself more independent you gotta check out Michael's group free-market environmentalism green agar ISM and we'll post the links in the show notes as well and that pretty much brings us to in our voice any parting thoughts well I'm glad I was invited definitely unexpected but pleasant nonetheless yeah it was great we'll have a after-show Q&A right now for our patrons so if you're in there you're gonna have some fun and we'll definitely have to have you on again to go more in-depth on some of this stuff you're more than happy to and appreciate it had a great time thank you man thank you so yeah we'll catch you all next time

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